This delicate-leafed hedge bamboo is a great choice for a smaller lot. It also works well as a container plant for patios or poolside planting. Golden Goddess can tolerate winter temperatures that dip for short periods of time into the high teens, making it a good choice for people living in Zone 8 - 10.
If planted 4' to 6' apart in rich soil that's watered and fertilized regularly, this semi-dwarf (6' to 12' tall) bamboo with 1/4" to 1/2" canes will form a solid wall of green by the end of its first growing season.
Our daughter Jenny stands in front of a 4-year-old clump of Golden Goddess that shows off the bamboo's distinctively round, fluffy shape.
Even though Golden Goddess tends to grow in what I call a "snowball" shape, it is easily pruned to take the form of whatever shape works best in the landscape. The line of Golden Goddess below demonstrates how nicely Golden Goddess can be pruned to create a short squared off hedge.
We offer Golden Goddess in 3-gal, 7-gal and 15-gal size containers. Even in 3-gal containers, Bambusa multiplex golden goddess is already quite tall and has multiple canes as Ralph demonstrates in the photo below:
A closeup shot shows the size of this bamboo's canes. Golden Goddess culms are small but plentiful. They rarely get larger than 1/2" diameter.
very nice photographs and info about multiplex. I am using liberally bamboos and bamboo grass in my landscape projects.
ReplyDeleteH S Bedekar
Bamboo Worker, Pune India
Our landscaper proposed Golden Goddess Bamboo for our backyard project. We were concerned about how it would look so we really appreciate your photos.
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ReplyDeleteCan these grow in Seattle, Washington?
ReplyDeleteGolden Goddess is in the multiplex family of bamboos which is one most cold-tolerant varieties of clumping bamboos. I have seen multiplex bamboos growing in Seattle. It may not grow as quickly in Seattle as it would in a warmer location but it should still do fine.
DeleteHow much water should a bamboo plant get in a 7gallon container
ReplyDeleteAssuming the container has adequate drainage, you can't overwater your bamboo. Bamboos like water and respond well to frequent (daily) irrigation if they are in containers. The best way to judge how much water the bamboo needs is to watch its leaves. If they remain flat they are getting the right amount of moisture. If they begin to curl up, they are not getting enough. Give more water and the leaves will unfurl.
Deletewhat does it mean if the tips are turning brown?
ReplyDeleteIt could just be the normal aging of leaves as they mature, however if the leaves begin to curl upward that would indicate that the bamboo needs more water. Bamboo leaves age and fall off throughout the year. As one leaf browns and eventually drops to the ground, new leaves will be forming to take its place.
DeleteThere is a potted plant in the hotel lobby I work at that I believe to be a variety of bamboo, I'm hoping to be able to identify it so that it may receive proper care. What should I look for as identifying factors?
ReplyDeleteBest way to ID a bamboo is to send pictures of its leaves, canes and overall appearance. If you are unable to do that, general rule is to give a potted bamboo adequate sunlight, water and fertilize with a high-nitrogen time-release fertilizer. It is also important that the container is large enough to accommodate the bamboo as it grows.
DeleteHow how can these be propagated?
ReplyDeleteThey are propagated by division
Deletewill trimming the bamboo help it grow taller faster
ReplyDeleteNo, trimming will not make bamboo grow taller faster. What will help, however, is removing the old, smaller diameter canes to let in more sun as well adding top dressings of compost or other high nitrogen amendments and making sure your bamboo has adequate water and regular fertilizer.
Deletewill trimming help the plant get thicker? Mind are thinning out but still growing, would love for them to replace the fallen stems with new ones,which I thought would happen anyway, but if trimming would help I would so so. Thks in advance.
DeleteYou may trim the tops of the bamboo. This will force leafing in the lower portions. Keep in mind, these trimmed canes will not get any taller. New canes will pass up the trimmed ones. You may also trim out any old, dead, or weak canes.
DeleteIt is a good idea to apply a high nitrogen fertilizer 2 or 3 times a year. Any high nitrogen fertilizer will do. Just make sure it does not contain any herbicides. It should not be labeled "weed and feed". We use 18-6-8, which is available at Beautiful Bamboo.
will trimming help the bamboo grow faster?
ReplyDeleteTrimming won't hurt bamboo but it also won't help the plant grow faster.
DeleteI am looking to establish a hedge in lieu of a fence. I don't want a towering hedge, however. Is this the best bamboo for the task? Also, how far from the property line and what sort of pruning should I consider to keep it from disturbing my neighbor? Your help is greatly appreciated!
ReplyDeleteGolden Goddess is the perfect bamboo to provide a compact living fence as long as you live in a mild climate where temperatures don't go below 15 degrees. If that's the case, then we suggest starting with 3-gallon size plants and planting them six feet apart and about three feet away from your fenceline. You won't need to prune Golden Goddess at all unless you want to shape it a certain way. Golden Goddess is one of our clumping, NON-invasive bamboos and will not disturb your neighbor by popping up on his property. It is well behaved and stays where you plant it with the circle of bamboo growing larger each year, much in the same way a tree's trunk gets bigger annually.
DeleteIf you live in a climate where you have colder weather, you might want to consider one of our running bamboos. Unlike most clumpers, which are tropical bamboo, running bamboos do well in colder climates.
If you would like more information, please call the nursery or come by to visit. You can reach us at 352-429-2425 and we can also provide pricing and shipping costs.
This website contains great information. How often should I fertilize Golden Goddess Bamboo? Thanks!
ReplyDeleteIf you are referring to a chemical fertilizer, we recommend using a high-nitrogen time-release formula. The one we apply to our plants and which we sell and ship to customers is a 6-month formula with a 18-6-8 composition.
DeleteIf you are referring to organic fertilizers, you can apply compost, manure, mulch or top dressings of soil as frequently as you like. Bamboos love organic material. Adding organic matter around the base of the plant helps the root system of your Golden Goddess develop and stronger roots result in more top growth.
Btw, it is not a one or the other situation. If you are going the chemical route and using a time-release formula, you can still add organic material anytime you have access to it.
What is the best way to trim Golden Goddess Bamboo that has now become too thick and too wide for the space alone my fence. My intention was to create a privacy screen along my fence line. One year later, it has gone crazy!! Can you help with ideas of how to shape or hedge the bamboo without it looking like I butchered it? Should I use an electric hedger? Any ideas or additional pictures would be helpful. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteYou can use an electric hedger or even hand-held loppers (clippers) to trim the bamboo down at the base along the outer edges. Additionally, you can trim the tops and sides to prune your hedge into any shape you desire. See the photo above of the hedge in the parking area to get an idea of how to trim/shape it. Send a picture of your hedge so we can see how it looks. Doing so will help us advise.
ReplyDeleteI live in tx ,planning to throw in golden goddess bamboo as privacy screen ... can I plant this in ground. Or is it better to grow in pots...scared about this growing uncontrollably ..I have a relatively short back yard
ReplyDeleteYou don't need to worry about Golden Goddess growing out of control because it is a Clumping bamboo, which means it is not invasive. Given good soil and regular water, it should provide a fast-growing dense privacy screen for your yard. Golden Goddess is a good choice for a small back yard due to its small diameter canes, dense growth pattern and relatively small height compared to other clumping bamboos. If you would like us to ship plants to you, please contact the nursery at 352-429-2425 for a quote.
ReplyDeleteLove your photographs, and, the explaining, my problem solved! my neighbor will be pleased, a win win for privacy Thank you!!
ReplyDeleteThanks for commenting, Jacqueline. With bamboo, your problem shall soon be solved.
DeleteI recently bought a house in St. Petersburg, FL and I have a screened in patio that looks right at my neighbors house and bedroom windows. I was wanting to plant some bamboo (I'm thinking Golden Goddess) just outside the screened in patio to provide some privacy to me and my guests when on the patio, will Golden Goddess work for that? How far away from my house should I plant it? I also don't want anything that gets too tall that I can't manage it. I was also looking at Tiny Fernleaf Bamboo. What would you suggest? The area is partly shady in the morning and gets full sun in the afternoons.
ReplyDeleteSara,
DeleteThe golden goddess or lady finger would both make nice screens that are not too tall. Both would be very easy to manage and trim if you would like to. The golden goddess is narrow at the bottom and widens out at the top. For this reason, I would plant at least 2.5' from the house. You could go closer and keep it trimmed. The lady finger will be a little more up right with a slightly larger leaf.
If possible, I recommend visiting the nursery to see full grown plants in person. This way you will know exactly what to expect. We are open Monday-Saturday from 8-4. Other hours are available by appointment. We are at 18404 S.R. 19, Groveland 34736.
I have 2 feet of width behind pergola - can I plant bambusa golden goddess
ReplyDeleteYou may plant the golden goddess in a small space, but it will require some upkeep. Due to the "V" shape of the plant, you may need to do some trimming. This is done easily with hedge trimmers.
DeleteIf you would like a more upright plant, the lady finger is a good choice.
how salt tolerant are Golden Goddess and Willowy bamboo?
ReplyDeleteBamboo can be grown near salt water, although it should not be in an area where salt water will flood it. A good rule of thumb, is about 100 yards away. It may experience some leaf drop in extreme storms with the salt spray.
DeleteAlthough it is beautiful, we were told initially the Golden Goddess Bamboo was non-invasive. It has, however, invaded our landscaping and is now popping up in our lawn. My husband managed to removed both large plants (in sections) which flanked our fountain. Now attempting to manage and control the roots which are quite deep and affecting our water lines. Perhaps these should have been container plants to begin with.
ReplyDeleteThe golden goddess is a clumping, non-invasive bamboo. It is not a running bamboo which will send shoots up several feet from the plant. They will, however, continue to send up shoots on the perimeter of the plant through the growing season. The plants will continually get larger in diameter. To control this, simply knock over any new canes on the perimeter as they pop up. If you have canes that are coming up at a great distance from the plant, it may be a different variety of plant. I will be happy to help if you would like to send pictures to my email jennifer@beautifulbamboo.com
DeleteI'm in central florida and would like to plant a thin row of bamboo to grow as a privacy wall so that the upstairs neighbors behind me cant see into my yard, and so that I cant see into their windows. I'd like to keep it 6 feet thick at most but at least 10' tall if not 12'-15'. Would Golden goddess be a sufficient bamboo here or will it possibly not get tall enough?
ReplyDeleteChris,
DeleteYou can keep the golden goddess in a narrow space by keeping the sides trimmed. You may, however, find the graceful to be a better fit for your space. It will reach the height needed to cover a second story window. It also, is a more upright plant and will not require too much trimming to keep in a narrow space.
I am looking for a non invasive bamboo to line my existing 6 ft privacy fence. I would like it to grow 8 to 10 feet tall and line a distance of 80 linear feet. What would work best. Thanks
ReplyDeleteWhich bamboo to use will depend on your location. If you are here in Central Florida, the golden goddess, lady finger, or dwarf variegated Malay could all work. They will grow a little taller, about 12', but can be easily trimmed shorter.
DeletePlease feel free to contact us at the nursery for more information (352)429-2425 or jennifer@beautifulbamboo.com
I have a area that I want to cover for Privatize,but the drainage is not good there what kind of bamboo would work if any
ReplyDeleteAll of the clumping bamboo is going to want good draining soil. It does not like to have wet feet. In areas where this is an issue, mounding the plants up may be helpful.
DeleteHi I have about 10 golden goddess in the backyard. 5 on the west side and 5 on the east side. The one on the west side seems to be doing great with healthy green leafs and all....but the ones on the east side, the first and last bush are doing fine but the 3 in the middle have lots of yellow leafs year round and one of them seem to be stunted in growth.
ReplyDeleteI've given them lots of water, fertilizer, iron and even with all the rain we recently had here in Southern California, they're still yellow. Some leaves are drying up too.
Not sure what to do. Can too much sun cause the yellowing? Thanks
Something is most likely different in the growing conditions of the middle 3. It could be the soil is holding more or less water than in the other plants. I would check for even distribution of water among the plants. It is possible they just need a little extra care to catch up to the others.
DeleteI have recently transplanted golden goddess I have provided fertilized soil along with sum miracle grow. They have been planted for 2.5wks and will not turn green I water each bundle every day How can I get the bamboo to turn green again the leaves have not dropped, sum stalks are green when watered. Concerned about losing the bamboo. Please advise. Thank you
ReplyDeletePlease send pictures to jennifer@beautifulbamboo.com We will take a look and see if we can help you.
DeleteHi. I have a bunch of golden goddess bamboo plants along my fence. They have been planted about a year now. I noticed the last few months the tiny branches where the leaves and stems shoot out from the stalks have this black stuff on them. Kinda mold looking, but dry. The plants are a little thinner, but we're just getting back into the warmer season. I noticed a lot of bees and wasps in them, and sprayed pesticide to get rid of them recently. Could they be causing it? Or is it normal to happen on this type of bamboo?
ReplyDeleteOccasionally, the multi plex plants will get meally bugs. Their excretions will cause the sooty mold you are seeing in the joints. Ants and bees may feed on this mold. The best way to get rid of it is to kill the mealy bugs. It is best to not spray the bamboo, as most sprays contain an oil that will burn the leaves. We prefer Bayer Tree and Shrub with Merit. It is a granular applied under the bamboo. It will kill the insects as they feed. The sooty mold will where off as the insects die.
DeleteIt is important to note, the sooty mold and mealy bugs will not damage the bamboo. If you do not treat, it is a purely cosmetic issue.
Can you tell me about how long a clump of golden goddess can live? I like an evergreen hedge but never liked the look of older clumps that are filled with dead canes.
ReplyDeleteI also would like to know if there is a minimum height these can be cut. My mother has 11 of these and decided to chop them 2 or 3 feet tall. 2 years later there has been a lot of new growth but all of the short canes are completely dead.
I already have a lot in my own yard but would like to know a little more before adding to it.
There is no reason why a clump of golden goddess should die with proper care. They should be thinned out every year or two. All the dead and ugly canes can be cut down to the ground. Individual canes on a healthy plant will live 7-12 years. It is natural for some to die out and be replaced with new growth.
DeleteAs far as trimming goes, they should never be trimmed more than 1/3 of their height. Also, once a cane is cut, it will no longer grow. Canes should be leafing out before trimming.
Please contact us at the nursery for more information 352-429-2425 or jennifer@beautifulbamboo.com
I have a distance of about 6 ft from my back fence to pool deck screen, the fence itself is the 3.5-4ft tall chain link. I was thinking of planting the golden goddess along the perimeter fence to create some privacy and also because of its shorter height (10-12ft max?) since there is a power line about 15-20ft tall above. My questions are: since the fence is so short, I'm afraid it won't contain the spread and shape of the bamboo onto my neighbors side and create a new yard responsibility for them (trimming it, etc..) am I right?
ReplyDeleteAlso, this is in in south Florida, I've noticed bamboos tend to loose their leaves a lot and make a leaf bed around, is this the case with this species?
Lastly, I don't want to be constantly having to trim it and have it grow more at its natural shape, will I basically have to force my way through my 6ft walking space? With that said, how far off the fence should they be planted and spaced in between. I plan on starting with 3GL.
Thanks
With this narrow space, you may want to consider our lady finger bamboo. It grow to about 12' tall with a .5" cane. It is a bit more upright than the golden goddess, which would mean less trimming.
DeletePlease feel free to contact us at the nursery for more information 352-429-2425 or jennifer@beautifulbamboo.com
I live in the Bay Area, CA. I have four 5-gallon Golden Goddess plants with southern exposure and on a drip irrigation. They were planted last Oct and now it's July and they don't seem to have grown at all. I planted them for a privacy screen and they are still only 4 ft tall. I fertilized yesterday so I hope that will help-any advice? I'm tempted to yank them out but hate to waste the money.
ReplyDeleteIt is unusual for the plants to not have any growth in that time frame, and there may be a combination of factors playing into this such as drainage, soil conditions, etc.
DeleteIf you email us some pictures of the struggling plants at jennifer@beautifulbamboo.com, we will be better able to help you figure out the best solution.
What is your suggestion for spacing of 15 gallon Golden Compass along a privacy fence?
ReplyDeleteYou can space the golden goddess on about a 6' center for creating a nice privacy hedge quickly. It is possible to go as close as 4' if you need a more immediate hedge. You may also decide to go a little farther than 6' if you do not mind waiting an extra summer for coverage.
DeleteHello,
ReplyDeleteI have a location that I would like to potentially use Golden Goddess for privacy in Tampa FL. The space would be right off of a lanai and it is 10.5ft by 2ft with a height of 11ft. Would this be a good location for this type of bamboo to be used for this space? If so; any recommendations on size, amount and spacing? Do you need to put a sheathing or border to keep the rhizomes from going outside the desired spots?
Thank you!
This space would work for golden goddess with a little bit of maintenance. It does grow in a "V" shape, so you may need to trim back some of the leaning canes. This is easily done with hedge trimmers or hand pruners.
ReplyDeleteYou may also consider the lady finger bamboo. This variety is a little more upright and may require less trimming.
You do not need a rhizome barrier for either, as they are both clumping bamboo.
Please contact us at the nursery for further information 352-429-2425 or jennifer@beautifulbamboo.com
Will this Bamboo tolerate shade?
ReplyDeleteThe golden goddess prefers full sun to partial shade. If planting in an area of total shade, it will grow much slower and not as thick as it would in a sunny location.
DeleteHow much leaf fall does this variety have? Considering this as fencing along pool and don’t want to deal with heavy leaf drop. Thanks
ReplyDeleteAny bamboo will have some leaf drop. Typically, there is more in the late winter early spring as new growth pushes old leaves off. It should never be excessive, and should always have leaves. If there is excessive leaf drop, the plant may be struggling and conditions need to be checked.
DeleteOne of my three bamboo plants in big containers turned brown while the others are fine. It seems to have gotten too dry but now it seems to be recovering with some new green growth. How should I deal with the brown parts? Should I thin them or trim them down? The new growth is going to take a while to grow in. Thanks:
ReplyDeleteYou may trim out anything that is brown and dry. Leave anything that is green, as it may still push out new growth.
DeleteI have five Golden Goddess planted almost 2 years ago in soil that is not fertile and moist enough. They got some height originally but are struggling now--mostly yellow with some green. I thought before giving them up for dead I could try planting them in containers with better soil and watering more frequently. Would they take to being transplanted? And how big would the containers need to be?
ReplyDeleteIf they are still small enough, you should be able to transplant them. Make sure your containers have drainage and use a good potting mixture. Before digging them up, you will want to make sure they have been well watered. Also, you can trim back some of the height to reduce stress to the plants.
DeleteIf you send pictures to jennifer@beautifulbamboo.com I may be able to better assist you.
Last summer I purchased a small bamboo plant that I believe to be a Golden Goddess (the only type they seem to carry around here) but now I’m wondering if another type wouldn’t better suit my specific needs. You see, I recently designed and built a very modern looking apartment and the bathroom window is an 11 inch wide frameless slit window which is located in the shower wall and runs from floor to ceiling. The plan was always to have a bamboo plant just outside this window to give me that tropical spa feel. Anyway since the fence is only 2 feet from the bathroom window I had to make a fairly narrow rectangular concrete planter for the bamboo plant so that it would be as far back from the glass as possible. The internal dimensions are 9”D 22”W 15”H (appox. 15 gallons). The problem is that I suspect a clumping variety like what I have now is going to want to grow in a circular pattern despite the rectangular shape of the planter and that this might even eventually crack my planter (its growing fast). When I first got the bamboo I could tell that the root ball had been recently cut in half due to it D-shape but I had to cut it in half again before planting it so that I could put one piece on each end of the planter.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, although what I have is doing very well and looks nice so far I’m thinking that a running variety might be better suited to a long narrow planter as the new growth would, I assume, follow the shape of the planter rather than growing in a circular pattern. What would you recommend for this type of application? I need it to grow to about 6 feet above the top of the planter but not much higher and I need to keep it thinned out enough that I will still get plenty of sunlight through the window and so it won’t look too bushy. I was considering a black variety since the black would contrast nicely with the yellow color of the reed fencing. Would black bamboo work well in this application?
By the way, the fence is on the south side of the property so the plant would get full sun all day during the extremely hot summers here but anything growing below the top of the fence would get no direct sunlight at all in winter when the sun is very low.
Based on your needs I would say to stick with a clumping variety only because it will grow much faster than a running bamboo and the Golden Goddess with provide nice privacy you're looking for. Since you have 2 parts on each end of the planter they will eventually fill in that space. Clumping bamboo grows in a circular pattern when planted in the ground, but if it's confined to a rectangular space it will grow in that shape to fit the space. Any bamboo planted in a container will eventually fill up the space and need to be taken out, shaved down, and re-potted with good soil. Being a smaller clumping variety it is unlikely that Golden Goddess will harm a hard-walled container, however the plant may start to look stressed as it gets too big for the pot.
DeleteBlack is a nice variety and could work for your purpose, you will just want to watch the height as it could grow much taller than the Golden Goddess, but trimming the height will also help provide some leaves on the lower part of the plant for extra privacy. Also, keep in mind our clumping black is cold sensitive at 28-30 degrees, so depending on where you live it may need to be brought inside if it's going to freeze.
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ReplyDeleteany thoughts on growing these in Philadelphia? Zone 7. have seen varying zones listed for this with some saying down to zone 6.
ReplyDeleteThe American Bamboo Society rates them at about 18°F. There are other factors that can determine just how much damage will occur including maturity of plants, moisture levels, and length of cold.
DeleteFirst of all I want to thank you for answering my last question about the suitability of the Green Goddess variety for my needs. Now I have a much more serious issue though. Right around the beginning of April I noticed about ten new culms coming up, and since they are a much larger diameter than last years I was very exited that I would finally get the height I needed out of this bamboo. Unfortunately however they are not growing the way they should. Last year the culms grew very fast and would reach their maximum height before the stems and leaves started popping out. This year however they seem to have stopped growing in height at only about 18” and they are fully opening up with stems and leaves. Also the first 7 or 8 rings on the largest culm are very close together (maybe less than ½ inch apart). This leads me to believe that they will not get much higher despite their diameter. Also some of the new culms turned brown and died when they were only two inches tall. I don’t know what could have gone wrong. Now that the temperatures are in the 80’s and 90’s I’m watering the thing at least 3 times a week and the soil is a very healthy mix of potting soil and homemade vermicompost and the pot has very good drainage. Also, right before spring I added a little organic fertilizer. Anyway, I don’t want to wait yet another year for the plant to reach the desired height so it looks like I might have to just start all over with a new plant that is already 6 feet high. Of course this late in the season it is probably going to be slim pickings at the local nurseries.
ReplyDeleteIt is very early in the season. I would not give up on a golden goddess just yet. Sometimes new shoots will get damaged before they have a chance to reach their full height. They can die or be set back from this. You still should see many shoots in the next couple of months. Make sure the soil is draining well and the first inch or so is drying out between waterings. Keep them fertilized. Also, be sure to stay away with any mowing equipment. Please contact the nursery for more information jennifer@beautifulbamboo.com or 352-429-2425.
DeleteThanks you for your quick reply. Just to be clear though the new growth actually looks very healthy, its just growing in a very atypical way – even the large diameter culms completely stopped growing in height at only about 18 inches (much shorter than last years) and the rings are 6 times closer together than normal. They all have a lot of healthy leaves and stems though which are fully opened up and spread out.
DeleteIn any case I’m actually glad this happened because it prompted me to go out and get the Black bamboo that I really wanted for this location in the first place. The problem with the Golden Goddess is that the canes would eventually turn the exact same color as the reed fencing behind it and so they would disappear against the background. The Black canes on the other hand contrast nicely with the fence. They are also very similar in color to the dark charcoal gray shower tiles that frame the narrow floor to ceiling window of which the bamboo is the focal point. There is only sparse foliage in the first 2 or three feet so that I can see the black canes and then the foliage gets more dense at the top. Anyway it achieves exactly the aesthetic I was going for and I’m very happy with it. Also I found the perfect place to put the old Golden Goddess and it looks great in its new location.
I had Chinese goddess bamboo planted and didn't realize the irrigation wasn't hitting it. It dried out after a few days in Florida. Is it possible to revive it by regular watering or is it a goner?
ReplyDeleteIt really will depend on how well established the plant was before it was dried out. If there are still green canes, keep it watered and watch for new growth. If all of the canes are dead and dry, it may be lost but keep it watered for a few weeks just to see. We have seen bamboo make some pretty spectacular come backs.
DeleteIt has only been in the ground for a week but has an extensive root system.
ReplyDeleteThe larger the root system the better. Just keep up on that watering and hopefully you will see some new growth coming out in the next few weeks.
DeleteIf I dig up golden goddess with a sawz-all and put it in a pot, will it survive living in the pot?
ReplyDeleteAs long as you dig up a chunk of the root system and keep it watered daily it should stabilize in the pot. It will go through a period of stress and may even drop leaves so don't give up on it.
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